ibm switching linux destops germany according to lin

Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
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--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message

Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
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--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.

No it's every few hours over there :)
which of course is, in principle, the primary attraction of "open-source" - that you don't have to appeal to some mystic court of sages and wait on them in order to implement anything :)

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?"

After all, IBM never has put a Windows key on their desktops or laptops. (Lenovo hasn't done this yet either.) It seems that IBM has not laid down the olive branch since OS/2 Warp days. It's just my opinion, but I have always preferred alternate OSes to Windows. Not to say that Windows doesn't have it's place. I suppose it is even possible that Vista may succeed in things that past versions of Windows have not, but I am a skeptic.

It seems that IBM has not laid down the olive branch since OS/2 Warp days.
I made a similar comment on my MSN Space about this story. IBM is obviously still keeping malice over what happened with Windows 95 and MS delaying them access to the software. So, in a way, its pay back time. But, I think that payback time is probably bit too late, with nearly 1 billion Windows users and counting, 100,000 IBM employees moving to Linux is nothing more than a fart in the wind to MS. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"nubian" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?"
After all, IBM never has put a Windows key on their desktops or laptops. (Lenovo hasn't done this yet either.) It seems that IBM has not laid down the olive branch since OS/2 Warp days. It's just my opinion, but I have always preferred alternate OSes to Windows. Not to say that Windows doesn't have it's place. I suppose it is even possible that Vista may succeed in things that past versions of Windows have not, but I am a skeptic.

Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
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--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
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--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
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--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never install.

I reported it in as a bug, but it's just whether they end up fixing it or not... eeshk!
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--- Original message follows --- "Mike Williams" wrote in message

Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote: Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never install.

Well to be fair it IS a beta.
So fact is, it's expected.
"Mike Williams" wrote in message

Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote: Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never install.

Chhan Rithy wrote: | Dear all, | IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. | How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!
If they want to choose Linux and failure that's their business. Personally, I'd recommend they reconsider and choose Windows and success.
--- Grok

Test Man wrote:

Well to be fair it IS a beta.
So fact is, it's expected.

Bugs are expected. Individual issues, almost by definition, are not.
Even with the beta status, Microsoft is inviting paid subscriptions for OneCare. Rather premature!

You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false rumors. I proved it again too: "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender" There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver updates.
If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows XP, the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP issues under BETA client, do that in the microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting it in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
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--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

No, again you misrepresented my words. I should have made it much clearer:

"Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"

I should have said: "Every few bloody days, there is a Windows Update shield icon popping up, asking to update the definition files for Windows Defender".
And yes, there is - and it IS broken because no matter how many times I download and install the updates, they keep popping back up. Mike said the same thing pretty much: "Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never install."
I would appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar, and instead asked calmly for me to clarify what I had said, as it makes you look bad otherwise :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false rumors. I proved it again too: "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender" There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver updates.
If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows XP, the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP issues under BETA client, do that in the microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting it in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
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--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

That liar means - Get your facts straight. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

No, again you misrepresented my words. I should have made it much clearer: "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"
I should have said: "Every few bloody days, there is a Windows Update shield icon popping up, asking to update the definition files for Windows Defender".
And yes, there is - and it IS broken because no matter how many times I download and install the updates, they keep popping back up. Mike said the same thing pretty much: "Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never install."
I would appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar, and instead asked calmly for me to clarify what I had said, as it makes you look bad otherwise :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false rumors. I proved it again too: "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender" There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver updates.
If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows XP, the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP issues under BETA client, do that in the microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting it in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
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--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: |
The word can hit sensitive people kinda hard. Lying says the person deliberately tried to skew the truth to something else that they know is not true. Often, what really happens is the person doesn't get their facts straight or makes a mistake or, even, is misunderstood. That doesn't make them a liar.
--- Grok

Hi,
Well, it isn't that linear. Both OSes have their strenghts and their weaknesses. I use and like them both, and they are VERY different in nature. One isn't better than the other - they are simply different, and both good at what they're supposed to do. There isn't a better OS - just a better OS for a given job. What is good for one thing can be bad for another.
Andre Nogueira
"Grok" wrote in message

Chhan Rithy wrote: | Dear all, | IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. | How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!
If they want to choose Linux and failure that's their business. Personally, I'd recommend they reconsider and choose Windows and success.
--- Grok

I would very much prefer it if you spoke to me in a civil manner, there's no need to be like that at all. I rushed that post, I should have elaborated and I apologise for that. It's neither lying nor getting fact's straight - I should have simple elaborated more and shall continue to write posts for people and hopefully get more information across so that in future you don't jump to the wrong conclusion :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

That liar means - Get your facts straight. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message No, again you misrepresented my words. I should have made it much clearer: "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"
I should have said: "Every few bloody days, there is a Windows Update shield icon popping up, asking to update the definition files for Windows Defender".
And yes, there is - and it IS broken because no matter how many times I download and install the updates, they keep popping back up. Mike said the same thing pretty much: "Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never install."
I would appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar, and instead asked calmly for me to clarify what I had said, as it makes you look bad otherwise :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false rumors. I proved it again too: "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender" There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver updates.
If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows XP, the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP issues under BETA client, do that in the microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting it in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

Thanks Grok, I think myself and Andre are on fairly equal terms about things I hope :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Grok" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: |
The word can hit sensitive people kinda hard. Lying says the person deliberately tried to skew the truth to something else that they know is not true. Often, what really happens is the person doesn't get their facts straight or makes a mistake or, even, is misunderstood. That doesn't make them a liar.
--- Grok

Hi Andre,
We are all here to share knowledge and to help eachother, and I don't believe someone would deliberately give the wrong information. You might disagree with a certain point of view, and it is even a good thing! Remember we are here to discuss things in a way we can all profit from
Andre Nogueira
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

That liar means - Get your facts straight. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message No, again you misrepresented my words. I should have made it much clearer: "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"
I should have said: "Every few bloody days, there is a Windows Update shield icon popping up, asking to update the definition files for Windows Defender".
And yes, there is - and it IS broken because no matter how many times I download and install the updates, they keep popping back up. Mike said the same thing pretty much: "Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never install."
I would appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar, and instead asked calmly for me to clarify what I had said, as it makes you look bad otherwise :o)
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false rumors. I proved it again too: "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender" There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver updates.
If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows XP, the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP issues under BETA client, do that in the microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting it in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?" -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Chhan Rithy" wrote in message Dear all, IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

ok, I apologize, but Zack needs to practice what he preaches, no need to tell me to shutup, so my response was indeed fair. So be fair in your corrections, Zack didn't have to tell me to shutup. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grok" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: |
The word can hit sensitive people kinda hard. Lying says the person deliberately tried to skew the truth to something else that they know is not true. Often, what really happens is the person doesn't get their facts straight or makes a mistake or, even, is misunderstood. That doesn't make them a liar.
--- Grok

I beg to differ, Linux is not good at Multimedia, as an Office desktop, if it were a majority of businesses would be using it instead of Windows. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Andre Nogueira" wrote in message

Hi,
Well, it isn't that linear. Both OSes have their strenghts and their weaknesses. I use and like them both, and they are VERY different in nature. One isn't better than the other - they are simply different, and both good at what they're supposed to do. There isn't a better OS - just a better OS for a given job. What is good for one thing can be bad for another.
Andre Nogueira
"Grok" wrote in message Chhan Rithy wrote: | Dear all, | IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. | How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!
If they want to choose Linux and failure that's their business. Personally, I'd recommend they reconsider and choose Windows and success.
--- Grok

I really shouldn't have done, and I apologise for that, and of course, I'll make my posts clearer if you don't jump to conclusions too fast :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

ok, I apologize, but Zack needs to practice what he preaches, no need to tell me to shutup, so my response was indeed fair. So be fair in your corrections, Zack didn't have to tell me to shutup. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grok" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: |
The word can hit sensitive people kinda hard. Lying says the person deliberately tried to skew the truth to something else that they know is not true. Often, what really happens is the person doesn't get their facts straight or makes a mistake or, even, is misunderstood. That doesn't make them a liar.
--- Grok

Nope, Linux can be just as good as Windows on Multimedia and Office desktop - you just have to know how to install it. And that's why I believe it isn't ready for the masses yet - because most people do not know how to install or configure it. People don't even know what version of Windows they have installed, let alone the version of the Linux kernel they have, or even if they're running Gnome or KDE. I also don't believe it ends up being much cheaper than Windows for most companies, seeing that they buy support from the Linux vendors.
As I had said, it's up to every user to decide what's best for him/her.
Andre Nogueira
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I beg to differ, Linux is not good at Multimedia, as an Office desktop, if it were a majority of businesses would be using it instead of Windows. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Andre Nogueira" wrote in message Hi,
Well, it isn't that linear. Both OSes have their strenghts and their weaknesses. I use and like them both, and they are VERY different in nature. One isn't better than the other - they are simply different, and both good at what they're supposed to do. There isn't a better OS - just a better OS for a given job. What is good for one thing can be bad for another.
Andre Nogueira
"Grok" wrote in message Chhan Rithy wrote: | Dear all, | IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006. | How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!
If they want to choose Linux and failure that's their business. Personally, I'd recommend they reconsider and choose Windows and success.
--- Grok

Deal. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

I really shouldn't have done, and I apologise for that, and of course, I'll make my posts clearer if you don't jump to conclusions too fast :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message ok, I apologize, but Zack needs to practice what he preaches, no need to tell me to shutup, so my response was indeed fair. So be fair in your corrections, Zack didn't have to tell me to shutup. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grok" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: |
The word can hit sensitive people kinda hard. Lying says the person deliberately tried to skew the truth to something else that they know is not true. Often, what really happens is the person doesn't get their facts straight or makes a mistake or, even, is misunderstood. That doesn't make them a liar.
--- Grok